what about the deficit? >> this is what the president said his plan would cut, the deficit, it would cut it by $4 trillion. take a listen. >> i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's on a website. you can look at all the numbers. what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. >> well, chris, the president is counting money saved by letting the bush tax cuts expire for people making more than $250,000 a year. but he's also counting $1 trillion in savings by drawing down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. nonpartisan budget experts call that a gimmick because the wars were deficit-financed in the first place. >> back to our panel. brad, your thoughts on the deficit? >> well, look, first of all, you won't be surprised that i disagree with that analysis. you know the president, the savings from the wars is actually true and important. i mean, mitt romney, chris, wants to spend $2 trillion on the defense department the pentagon asked for and he wants to go back to war in iraq. those should b